“Ishiguro” Summary

Things we enjoyed about “Klara and the Sun”:

  • Unique voice in the text, observant person of their surrounding, sees a lot, perceives many things, different way of seeing things than how humans perceive the worlds, gave it a unique touch
  • “I liked it but it was also very strange”
  • Glimpse into a bleak future as humanity
  • Sun as a God theme brilliant
  • Asks relevant questions about AI, digitalisation, computer
  • How an AF enjoys nature was wonderful
  • Readers need to fill in a lot of information
  • We see Klara as a person, novel kinda answers its own question
  • Takes it further: Artifical Friend finding religion via the sun
  • Mourning tone fitting
  • Klara can always find something to be happy about
  • Scrapyard ending horrible and so so sad but fitting and realistic
  • Humanity and cruelty
  • Toy Story vibe but darker, children’s love is fleeting
  • If it was a pet, a pet ending up in a shelter is similiar
  • How do we treat ‘lesser’ beings
  • Loneliness of children
  • Loneliness of the Artifical Friend
  • Bleak, cold, scary future
  • Different reactions to the AF: Rick not happy about it, housekeeper sceptic –> realistic
  • Buy friendship, reject their humanity
  • Housekeeper: manual labour still exists, different degrees of servitude, scary but realistic
  • Strange read but compelling
  • Who creates art? Only humans?
  • AF lacks so much knowledge: why not give them more? Keep them in a childlike state? Designed for just one specific task? They were not supposed to have any knowledge or any agency or voice –> which is why the narrative voice is so interesting
  • Limited knowledge of Klara makes her a compelling focaliser
  • Ecocriticist reading: destroy the pollutors, act of rebellion
  • Josie’s chronic disease / disability: handled very well, interesting to see grief / loss of a child and how this played into genetic engineering –> conflict of the mother; “lifting” them, it goes wrong, guilt
  • Can you replace Josie with Klara? Very dark. Glad it didn’t happen.
  • Could’ve gotten even darker: substituting the children, creating your perfect children
  • Why do relationships change? Klara’s lack of understanding resonates
  • Ecocriticist perspective: negative things like pollution and failed genetic engineering but also Klara who is good and powered by the sun, believes that nature should be saved and that nature can save her humans. Touching environmentalist take –> “maybe the thing I liked the most about the novel”
  • Model of Artifical Friend –> perfect level, later models too smart and thus unpopular –> easier to perceive as an object for humans, more toy than person
  • Nostalgia for old models of AF
  • Body horror vibes in parts
  • Overall sense of dread well done
  • Surprised that Josie healing with the Sun worked –> “I was convinced it was just some sort of rumour or hearsay” –> what happened?
  • Touching depiction of religion coming from an AF
  • Klara saw no difference between herself and Josie: if the Sun helps me, it will help Josie. So simple, yet touching. And it worked!
  • Strange read but parts also cozy? Weirdly enough?
  • Klara did not see the world as dystopian, she found bits of happiness and good things despite everything –> touching
  • Cover super pretty, hardcover you could move the sun
  • Short and fragmented, “the rest is for us to meditate on”

Things we discussed:

  • Childhood friend of Josie & challenges of getting into school etc. didn’t work for one of us, did not contribute to the story in a meaningful way
  • Rick not popular, mirror to Josie used to contrast
  • Impressive how unlikeable the humans were –> the humans hard to understand, very well written from Klara’s perspective –> only good person is Klara
  • Rick’s mother ex boyfriend story weird
  • Josie’s family weird
  • Humans looming over Klara, all dangerous, capable of anything (kinda good but also puzzling)
  • All the kids were cruel too (good but also hard to read)
  • Beginning confusing, first fifty pages chaos until somebody starts to explain stuff –> mystery does not work as well
  • More information needed about: society at large? hints that people are removing themselves from society, dangerous areas –> not explored at all
  • More background might explain more why people react to Klara in various different ways
  • Genetic engineering, lifting, what does it entail? What are they doing in detail? Are they lifting intelligence? Would explain class society more
  • Perspective limiting on purpose but that’s also frustrating –> you will in the gaps like Klara has to fill in the gaps
  • Also fitting that there is no saviour figure for Klara –> would negate the whole point of the novel
  • Was it a glitch that Klara saw Rosa being mistreated? Supernatural level? Glimpses of someone else? Visions in distress –> pixelated vision? Fields? Religious vision?
  • Are the AF more connected than we thought?

Weird ratings:

  • 3.5/5 strange Sun healing powers: “some things I liked, some things I didn’t”, “book that made me think”
  • 4/5 surveillance drone birds: “enjoyed it”, might reread some day
  • 4/5 robots: “raises interesting questions”
  • 4/5 Klara really needs a hug: read it years ago and scenes and feelings and philosophical ideas stayed with me

Scalzi Summary

Things we enjoyed about “Starter Villain”:

  • Humour great
  • The cats are awesome
  • Cats brilliant part of the narrative
  • Everything is ridiculous, that was great!
  • “Really really enjoyed it”
  • Just a fun book
  • Easy to read, engaging, entertaining, quick to read
  • Fast-paced, in media res, “couldn’t put it down”
  • Good level of escalation
  • Realistic ending, Scalzi managed to tie all the storylines together
  • Over the top, very fun
  • Audiobook read by Will Wheaton amazing
  • Banter between Charlie and everybody else
  • Dialogue great
  • Slapstick comedy
  • Playing with every single supervillain clichΓ©e
  • funeral home scene “dumb” but “how is the funeral director this calm”
  • Being spied on by cats, amazing
  • Cats talking amazing
  • Unionised dolphins on strike brilliant
  • Execution of the nonsense was top notch
  • All that nonsense: really hard to predict anything. Wild ride!!
  • Bingo list book, most random things part of the story
  • Book doesn’t take itself seriously; very meta; Scalzi embraces that he writes ridiculous things
  • The cats were so in character
  • Arrogant cats
  • Dogs could not be supervillains
  • Cats care for him –> reversed power dynamic; Charlie the pet and the cats are the owner; fitting cat behaviour “oh what a dumb human”
  • Falls a bit short but then again, nice that it’s not super long
  • “This is madness and I’m enjoying the madness”
  • Criticism hard because it’s planned nonsense πŸ˜€
  • no romance, yay
  • Villain found family? Vs. being alone?
  • Villainy + bureaucracy lol
  • Mafia vibes
  • Super villain convention, haha
  • Inheriting money –> inhereting their villain status; nepo babies
  • Absurdity of it was great
  • Capitalism critique –> subscription based villainy
  • Dolphins ❀
  • Ending nice: down to earth?
  • Charlie unfazed by a lot of things, interesting
  • Spy whales?
  • All the humans are being played by the cats & dolphins & whales?
  • Sad about the dolphins: cannot go back to their fellow dolphins
  • Oozes joy, you need to be in the right mood for it
  • Writing style good, humours ton fits the topic
  • Down to earth writing style
  • Just made me laugh
  • The cover with the cat is amazing!

Things we discussed:

  • Charlie (protagonist) not very likeable, typical John Scalzi main character though
  • Annoying protagonist, bit naive (others liked him!)
  • Beginning somewhat confusing
  • Exposition took a little too long, pacing off
  • “Also I had expected more cats to be honest”
  • Ex-wife / family parts meh, also no reconnection with the siblings
  • Charlie gullible and should’ve been a bit more down to earth
  • Charlie a bit sexist? And why behave in that way? Also tons of self-pity? But then again he has some backbone and wants to do the right thing? Flawed character interesting
  • Stock character: male character to whom the adventure just happens; emotional range missing
  • What is going on with the spoons? Is there a backstory? πŸ˜€
  • More female representation would’ve been nice
  • More character would’ve been nice? Charlie the only in-depth character + randos he meets
  • Charlie flawed and annoying: funny
  • Can Charlie really be a barkeep and own a bar? Unclear
  • More talking animals?
  • More unions for dolphins!!!

Weird ratings of the book:

  • 3.75/5 unionised dolphins ❀ (slightly different expectations)
  • unfinished: 4/5 spy cats
  • 5/5 lairs
  • 4/5 unfazed funeral directors
  • 4/5 dramatic explosions

Great books to read:

  • Kaiju Preservation Society by Scalzi also great
  • Ocean’s Godori –> we’ll read it with BSFG but it is great
  • We are Legion (we are Bob) by Dennis E. Taylor (audiobook is great)

Lynch Meeting “Prophet Song”

What we enjoyed about the book:

  • Writing style, lack of quotation marks, experimental style fit the general atmosphere of the book; rules no longer apply –> also in writing
  • No coherence…because some things can’t be explained. Immediacy
  • One gets used to the style: once you get used to it, it makes sense
  • Sentences/passages brilliantly written
  • Refugee crisis in a book to make people wake up –> quite well done in the Sarah Kane tradition; write something for people who only see something if somebody looking like them experiences or narrates it
  • Message pretty clear
  • Reading it like in a daze
  • Main protagonist complex, partly relatable but why doesn’t she leave eariler? But would we leave earlier?
  • Identity questions: scientist, mother… what has she got left? Everything is taken from her?
  • Uncomfortable book to read when it mirrors real life fears, especially if your family has a refugee background
  • Would we leave? Where could we go? Why didn’t she leave earlier though? Privilege with sister in Canada
  • Feels close to home
  • Limited perspectives in the book: what is going on politically? World building? Why are things the way they are? Scary, wanted to know more, but it also feels realistic because a lot of people do not pay so much attention, powerless
  • Important topic to discuss
  • Marthe is glad that the book isn’t about the troubles again
  • Book makes you think and discuss things, including the book itself.
  • Strong emotional impact, hard reading journey
  • Shock factor
  • Trauma of the main protagonist makes her dazed, stick to routines, however irrational
  • Structure: segments, what happens in-between? Warped time
  • Open ending, realistic
  • Misinformation scary; illegal radios etc.
  • Realistic: mother instinct protecting the young trouble maker on the street; helping each other

What we discussed:

  • Why shy away from some aspects? Sexual assault/rape only hinted at. Why? Intended audiences? Or not too make the white protagonist suffer too much?
  • Trauma porn?
  • Editing? Target specific audiences? What was the intial plan for the book?
  • Narrative is lived experience of millions of people, refugees, but now this book is hyped and receives awards? Written by a white author and set in Ireland?
  • Maybe some readers won’t get that it’s not just Irish dystopia?
  • Hard to get into reading it at first
  • Politically inclined people in the book are all men (even the 14yo boys)
  • Why is the protagonist so passive? Whole identity are her kids? Why does she refuse to become more alert?
  • First part of the book: sister is drama. Second part: Oops, she was right.
  • Why didn’t she leave earlier to save the kids? Especially after the first time…
  • Trauma after trauma after trauma –> not very realistic: ups and downs, ups missing; no joy left, moments of happiness/content/satisfaction missing entirely; depressing all around
  • World building unexplained
  • Ireland: refugee situation feels unrealistic; why do the neighbouring countries do not help? EU? Aid?
  • What made Ireland turn dystopia? No religious conflict mentioned but what happened?
  • Sense of community missing; just the family; no connection to the neighbours; no connection to bigger Dublin…isolation…
  • Takes a lot of inspiration from refugee stories but no credit given?
  • Resistance of no help to the people whatsoever
  • ending very different from the beginning

Ratings:

  • 3-4 stars: lots of negative parts, should still be read, hard to read and that’s part of the fascinated
  • 2.5-3 stars: mood, feel about the book at a specific moment, hard to give a final opinion
  • 2 stars: important topic, some people should read it and learn something; but there are better and more realistic refugee stories –> people’s stories, lived experience
  • 3 stars: at times a poetic book, experimental writing style nice, strong in evoking uncomfortable, angsty emotions, controversial and leads to discussions which is good
  • 3.75 well written, controversial

Harry Josephine Giles “Deep Wheel Orcadia” Meeting

What we enjoyed about the book:

  • Background fascinating
  • Orcadian text not that hard to read
  • English text felt different, different vibe
  • Experimental
  • Novum (Suvin) in terms of linguistics
  • Representation interesting
  • Mars, colonies, interesting world-building
  • Style more interesting than content
  • Seeing your marginalised group in the future
  • Survival
  • Horror story elements
  • Identity questions
  • Edwin Morgan connection: imagine Scotland in the future, Orkney in the future
  • Setting interesting
  • How would this book be translated? Keep Orcadian bits, translate the English? Interesting
  • Orcadian bits musical
  • Relatable: coming home from school, fleeing from life
  • Form so fascinating
  • Keeping heritage, culture alive
  • Noor = light in Arabic, easter egg?
  • Great concept
  • Deep Wheel Orcadia –> Deep Space Nine
  • Becky Chambers vibe
  • Ending fitting for the story
  • Slice of life!
  • Untranslatable bits: compound words in translation fascinating; complexity cannot be translated?
  • Some parts were funny
  • Space for Orkney: how was it received on Orkney? Shetland?
  • Challenges the readers, very rewarding
  • Space sea shanties!!!
  • Wonderful imagery
  • Music in space
  • Language in space
  • Juxtapose your place into space?

What we discussed:

  • Translation both cool and kinda weird
  • Story a bit underdeveloped but that’s ok because it’s shrouded in poetry
  • What is going on with the lights?
  • Ending confusing?
  • Sequel?
  • How did the station come to be?
  • Lamb scene????
  • Title sounded so grand and massive, we imagined a space opera?
  • Translation hard to read sometimes, where do words stop?
  • Sometimes a bit pretentious: translation is hard with tons of languages, we are aware? Both interesting and annoying
  • Whathowwhywhen (why?)

Rating:

  • X/5 sacrified lambs: great concept
  • Will pave the way for more speculative fiction like this?
  • 5/5 fascinating language-wise, story underdeveloped
  • Experimental, hard to read
  • Respected how it tickled my brain
  • 2/5 whathowwherewhy

“The Ten Percent Thief”

What we enjoyed about the book:

  • Many different focalisers
  • AI inside a character’s head taking over –> uncanny persona, own agenda –> AI life of its own
  • Uncanny elements, dystopia but still felt realistic
  • Creepy but well done technological advancements –> connected to our reality
  • “I thought I didn’t like it, but I did like it”
  • main character is the world!
  • all the chapters are connected, new chapters surprised us
  • “Welcome to the Machine” –> tour guide –> more of that would’ve been cool
  • “Ten Percent Thief” new title, different expectations, old title more fitting
  • You get invested in the world
  • Nina’s adoptive parents failed to introduce her to her background; no chance for her to know her heritage –> parallels to adopting children with a different cultural or ethnical background and failing to take care
  • Funny bits: woman has to go shopping herself
  • System is forcing you into technology
  • Surviving in a technocracy
  • Emoji parts: ridiculous?!
  • “Black Mirror” vibe (Marthe recommends you watch “San Junipero” to start with, her favourite)
  • Celebrity who got pregant chapter was so interesting! Post-feminist?! Realistic!? Society telling women how to be pregnant, even then. –> Person also barely talks, everybody just talks about her
  • All about productivity and how we lose humanity
  • Online discourse, being entitled to an opinion –> pregnant women
  • Pregnancy pods: make pregnancy shorter to increase productivity
  • Resistance was cool, systemic, smart, organised
  • Using the footage to then influence the virtuals –> weaponise the footage –> use the media
  • Forest: art and community
  • Connection between revolutionary ideas and art –> music, forest, people coming together –> power of art
  • Nina’s hybrid identity sad, will never belong to any group properly
  • Tragedy, sad
  • Can the productivity focus be unlearned on a society-level?
  • Hope for the future? Will the analogues be good leaders? Ex-virtuals as good leaders?
  • Play with language in the AI chapter was amazing: “you”, “we”, “I” –> blurring boundaries; trying to learn what love is; use it against the person
  • Train guide: language; psychological observation of the tour guides; slipping in language; what are you allowed to say and what aren’t you allowed to say
  • Language does make reality –> brilliant theme of the book in its entirety
  • HoloSphere a different reality
  • Short story vibe, extremely well connected; unexpected structure; deeply care about people; imagination can fill in the gaps?
  • Perfect length
  • Indian caste system: lowest caste –> Analogues
  • Vegetable farm: only way for the analogues to be productive –> spare parts –> “Cloud Atlas”; “Never Let Me Go”; “Promised Neverland” (trope)
  • Capitalism gone wild

What we discussed:

  • Explore Virtuals more who want to improve the situation of the Analogues
  • Switch teachers to robots; how does the society work? Is this really functional? Everybody is going to be a robot in the end?
  • Everything controlled by the AI?
  • How do other cities work???? What about cities that are not Bell Corp.?
  • What’s outside the city? Can one flee to another city? Refugees?
  • Some chapters too short? Bridges between different stories as vignettes? Ray Bradbury vibes
  • Climate change & construction of this world could be explored me
  • Cover a bit misleading, looks too fantasy-ish

Weird Ratings:

  • 4/5 Preggobots
  • 4/5 Hyperreality videos
  • 5/5 Socially awkward people hiding in cakes

Book recommendation by R. (thank you): If you liked “The Ten Percent Thief” –> “The Free People’s Village” by Sim Kern

“Station Eleven” Summary

What we enjoyed about the book:

  • Interesting how everything was connected
  • Characters from the caravan were cool
  • Felt realistic even though it was written before our pandemic, kudos to the author
  • Difficult to read post-pandemic
  • Didn’t focus too much on the disease and suffering, rather on coping
  • What is important in such a situation?
  • Relatable: stocking up on food and toilet paper. Hard to read
  • New generation portrayal interesting: stay connected to the world before
  • Well written
  • Theatre and Shakespeare parts brilliant
  • Survival is not enough, you need more: theatre, the arts, something else to live for
  • Memory as a key theme: how do we remember? What do we forget? What is being lost?
  • Readers get a more complete backstory than any of the characters
  • Hopeful ending, joy despite the bleakness
  • Art as the most important thing in a postapocalyptic world, changes the genre
  • Museum: remnants of a civilization lost, artefacts
  • Global scale of the novel well done
  • Makes us question everything we take for granted today
  • How would I explain electricity or the internet or airplanes to somebody who has never encountered it? What a wild thought!
  • Chance encounters not by chance — interconnectedness satisfying!
  • Vibe of the book was cool
  • Airport storyline fascinating: waiting for a saviour, work together, save themselves
  • “I really really liked it generally”
  • Beautiful writing
  • Humans working together, humanity, wonderful despite the horrible situation
  • Not leaning too much into the violence and aggression
  • Retaining one’s humanity, trying to stay to connected to the person one was before the pandemic
  • What keeps people going? Art! Music! Science! Special interests. What sustains us?
  • Eerie and strange reading it after a pandemic. Made one reflect a lot!
  • More than mere survival is important: what gives us joy? Keep the joy alive!
  • No zombies was refreshing! The only evil = humans
  • Novel purposefully tries to avoid the ‘catastrophy porn’, more nuanced, more about people, lighter
  • Graphic novel series was lovely, how everything resolves around it was satisfying
  • Miranda survived because of the comic, how important and escapist can a comic be? And later on it helped them facing trauma. Relating to art from both sides: pre and post pandemic
  • Shakespeare’s timelessness: arts connects people, we need it, desperately
  • Arthur also connected all narrative strands, holding it all together, yet he’s the one who dies right away

What we discussed:

  • Novel a bit underwhelming, “I liked it but I didn’t like it as a whole”, too many storyline? Focus more on airport storyline or “going all over the place”
  • Bit disorienting, going back and forth in time, confusing. When is this? Past, present, future?!
  • Pretty predictable, e.g. identity of the prophet
  • Prophet easy to spot and a bit meh
  • Open questions: how do people react to sick people afterwards? What happened to the sickness? What happened to the second wife of Arthur?
  • Felt a bit too constructed and artifical? Yet also somehow nice
  • Pandemic story just lost after a while, nobody worries about it any more? Why?
  • Tired of stories where postapocalyptic religious people are all extreme; cults full of fanatics, stereotypical; why not normal religion? Religion can offer comfort? And people then use it to gain power?
  • Ending of prophet very anticlimatic, “there should have been a bit more action there”
  • Rushed ending too @ prophet
  • Satisfying because everthing came together in the end but also artifical, felt a fake
  • Kirsten connection bit far-fetched
  • Arthur unlikeable character who is the center of the story somehow? Meh, too much clichee
  • Jeevan partly unlikeable
  • Pre-pandemic parts a bit boring: relationship drama; instead: more world building?
  • Cut down the prophet storyline, motivation of the prophet dubious? Just because of a runaway ‘wife’?
  • Beginning a bit hard to get into? Felt random? Unconnected? Slow going? DNF potential, give me more pandemic…
  • Narrator bit on the nose… Wasn’t ominous? Don’t tell us everything? Leave us some mystery and leave us wonder? We can imagine things ourselves?
  • Apocalypse, hell quotes, bit on the nose at the very beginning
  • Hard time caring about some characters? Make us care a bit more? Let us get to know them?
  • Origin of the flu from Russia? Stereotypical from a US author?
  • Why do they move into a Wendy’s or fast food chain building in a pandemic? All houses are available? Why do that? “I didn’t get it. Why do you wanna live there?”
  • Why were people named after their instruments??? Dehumanising? Whole group? Errrrr?

(Weird) Ratings!

  • 4.5/5 obvious Shakespeare references; refreshing genre addition; maybe hyped because
  • might change because not finished yet: 3.5/5 King Lears “not fully sure what I think of it yet”
  • 4.5/5 false prophets
  • 3/5 TV guides
  • 4.5/5 airplanes
  • 4.5/5 instruments
  • 4.5/5 comic book series

Interesting: https://www.newyorker.com/culture/persons-of-interest/the-rewriting-of-emily-st-john-mandel

Also check out “Sea of Tranquility”